Quickscope in Black Ops? “Hell No” Say Treyarch
During a impromptu Q&A session on Twitter last night, Treyarch’s Josh “JD2020″ Olin scuppered the hopes of all those that planned on using their ‘l33t Quickscoping skillZ’ in Black Ops. Treyarch don’t like Quickscoping and think FPS games should be “played straight-up”, thus, not only making Sleight of Hand Pro not work with Sniper Riles, but specifically gimping the ability to Quickscope in Black Ops.
When asked if Quickscoping will be possible in Black Ops, Olin replied:
No, Quickscoping is a cheap way to play. We’re specifically going to gimp Quickscoping, sorry. Play straight-up!
Not liking what they had heard, people began to quiz Olin about the subject of Quickscoping in Black Ops some more. Once again Treyarch’s community manager clarified:
Nope. Quickscoping is way more annoying to a way larger group of people than the quickscoping community who loves to do it. #cheap”.
How are they going to do this? Well, apart from disabling Sleight of Hand Pro with Sniper Rifles, Olin also said that they would be making Sniper Rifles off-center until you have fully zoomed in for a certain amount of time. We don’t know if they have anything else up their sleeves.
We have had a lot of discussion here on BlackOpsBlog about Quickscoping, here is your chance to go deep. Do you think Quickscoping should be allowed in Black Ops? Is it a genuine way to play a FPS game? Do you thing Quickscoping ruins the gameplay or makes it better? Are you fed up of landing in a game only to be playing against a team of Quickscopers? Do you think Quickscoping makes for better montages? Etc etc. Go at it in the poll and comments.
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Lets not forget what would happen if you tried to quick scope in real life. Step 1. Run out into the battle field with a sniper. 2. see somebody. 3. By the time you start zooming into your scope your dead. Do you wanna know why your dead? Because the first thing people see is somebody running around with a sniper and they wanna kill the easiest target first so you get shot dead.
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You want to talk about real life then snipers should be 1 shot kill. If you get shot in the leg with a barrett 50 caliber say bye too your whole damn leg, call if duty aint real regardless
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skills? the only way quick scoping is possible is because of the autoaim, its cheap crap, and annoying as hell. try quick scoping with a real sniper, you wont be able to shoot for s**t.
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this is a fiction game i play BO1 all the time and get hit markers with snipers way to often bring in QS and more people to will play and that means more money.
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Or try killing someone in game with an assualt rifle, you inexperienced d**k.
Quickscoping is -relatively- more difficult. That’s what he’s saying.
In the event of further required translation, find a dictionary.
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I don’t get why everyone hates quick scopers, it’s the only thing in the whole COD series that requires skill. Assault riffle.. Camp shoot move camp shoot move, that’s the routine, SMG run hip fire steady aim, QS is nothing but the most fun at challenging. So piss off haters
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srry bro quickscopings cheap plus its pretty much like lagswitching its just not cool anymore
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I’m on the side of making quick scope nerfed, but for arguement sake a sniper can run around and use the ironsights on his scope to get Close combat kills but the damage a sniper round has is almost the same as the assault in real life. if you get hit center mass your going to fall face first. but its a game and if they made it that why everyone would camp for there lives. and you wouldnt hear any action beside a few rounds every game
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so they get rid of quickscoping because people complain but people complain even more when you camp and hardscope? so what are you supposed to do with a sniper to not get complained at? and on top of all that i still manage to quickscope in bo2 anyway so they did a bad job of getting rid of it
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Lets not forget what would happen if you tried to quick scope in real life. Step 1. Run out into the battle field with a sniper. 2. see somebody. 3. By the time you start zooming into your scope your dead. Why are you dead? Because the first thing people see is some idiot running around with a sniper in the middle of a battlefield and they wanna kill the easiest target first so you get dropped to the ground. If you think about it, quick scoping is impossible in real life. I think they should disable the perk “Quick Draw” for snipers too. But private matches you should be able to enable/disable quick scoping.
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So you wanna talk about real life?
how can a “ballisctic knife and or a Tomahawk kill someone immediately by hiting his foot?
how can someone jump 100 yards without even being hurt? well in black ops its possible with Lightweight Pro.
Being said that, why shouldent be possible to start zooming , shoot and kill someone if we are poiting directly at him?
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so your saying that just because theres a couple of things that arent realistic in this game there should be more? umm ok you have your bulls**t quickscoping and maybe they should put more annoying crap in there and ruin the game some more. if you keep with that logic then there will be no limits on the fake s**t that can be in this game and it will be no fun at all. its gotta stop somewhere, and quickscoping seems like a good start.
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Nah. Hitmarkers are a good start.
Not like weapons designed to take down vehicles would fully kill or even disable the ability for a human to run, right?
And if you take out quickscoping, then you take out your other bull, like friendly emps, light bullet damage, sleight of hand, dead silence, whatever. If you continue with that logic, might as well take out the entire game!
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so your saying that if you choose a sniper class you should camp? because i mean after all in real life thats what snipers do isnt it? wouldnt it be more fair to the gameplay to see a person shooting than to just get constantly sniped from a distance you cant reach?
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been said that or something like that*
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Well I’m alright with scrapping quick scoping but to make the gun off center until you have been ads for a certain amount of time is not very smart. Say goodbye to Amy sniper class I would have been using. Love you though treyarch. Keep up the good work!
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How is quick scoping considered cheap people do it for fun for their YouTube channel montages, but an assault rifle will always win head to head in Cod. It’s kinda hard to run around with a sniper and not have a negative KD.
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I do it, it’s not that hard. It is called aggressive sniping. Once you get the hang of it it is not to bad. Plus now in black ops 2 they are trying to nerf it even more. Talk about hitmarkers, but we still seem to get by.
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That’s gay why don’t they keep sniping like black ops. Off center that’s going to suck so you’re going to have to look throu the scope at all times?
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thats wot snipings all about staying put and looking through ur scope… ever watched saving private ryan or hurt locker…. never see them running around quick scoping
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I think its pretty funny how you say that snipers should sit in one spot and hardscope when half of everybody on the game hitches about hardscoping and camping.
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Oh yeah whats up with the guns? The game is based in what 2025 and only one futuristic gun gay.
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U guys are just mad you can’t quickscope yourself. Yeah I know the times where I say a Guy running around with a L96 on a 11 killstreak getting attack dogs but still overall quickscoping is fun overall but still you guys are just freaking out over it.
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Anyone can quick scope with the perk QuickDraw and the game feature of Auto aim. I think quick scopers like you just be mad cause your abilitys with a gun are horrible. The people that are so mad that it will be gone.. Why? Is it that you can’t play straight up? Playing the game is supposed to be the fun, not one detail/flaw in the entire game. Like I said befor if you want to quick snipe play MW3 and keep your lame ass outa BO2!
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Lol, ” just be mad cause your abilitys with a gun are horrible”. Firstly, I suggest you learn how to spell a few words.
Secondly, do you really think it is easier to kill somebody by quick scoping than it is with an assault rifle? That’s total bs.
(Not going to happen):
“Mom, I’m so angry because of my ratio in black ops! It’s .016 with this insanely challenging assault rifle!”
“Hmm… Why don’t you try quick scoping, honey?”
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Is everyone in this chat r****ded? Everyone thinks that a Quick Scoper cant do anything else except Quick Scope? REALLY? like its that hard to pick up a MP7 and get a 10 kill streak?..wow at least it takes some skill to Quick Scope and you really can pick up a sniper and have auto aim do all the work..with all the cheap ass guns in MW3 and Black Ops you all should be impressed that some people can kill you with a sniper before you can kill them with your class set up: GUN: MP7 secondary: FMG9 akimbo Perk 1: blind eye Perk 2: assassin Perk 3: strep….. like we are the ones anyoing the player base.. ITS YOU, and stop f**king comparing it to real life, its obviously not?
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Honestly, i respect there decision to scrap QS in blops2 becuz there are still manys to play. But i for one am not to happy about it. Many people think its a cheap trick but that cant be further from the truth. Ask any really good QS person and he/she will tell u it takes alot of practice. When i first started to QS I almost absoultley wrecked my KD thorugh a whole prestige before I started gettin 2+ KD a match. I think it ads on to the challenge while playing online and varies the playing field. But thats just my opinion
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This is some bull s..t why the hell dose it matter if u can QS it taks skill and it is dumb when people get mad at a QS if u cant do it then leav it at that dont get butthurt when u die from a QS would it be any diffrent if u got killed by a type 25………….no it F..king wont so shut the F..uck up
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take the aim assist off then ur know how hard it is without it and easy it is with it on i tried it and its hard, if you can do it without the aim assist then thats skill…quick scoping is no skill at all
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I personally quickscope without aim assist and have a KD of 1.38
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The people who are complaining about quickscoping are those who don’t like using sniper rifles and have biased opinions towards them. I like using all weapons, including sniper rifles. In order to make them competitive in COD they need to be able to aim fast. I imagine that the players who are complaining just aren’t that great, in general, and want QS’ing to be eliminated due to the fact that they just can’t use them or don’t want to try. I snipe when I want to mess around. They should be happy when I don’t use an assault rifle or smg. In short, they’re pissed at QS’ing because they can’t do it and don’t want other players to be able to. It makes them look and feel bad. What is Treyarch going to do when people start complaining about people aiming fast with AR’s and SMG’s? Take them out of the game too?
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true but aiming with a sniper rifle in reality is hard work with the weight these weapons aint light and you would never be able to bring it up quick enough and you would cause yourself some serious damage if u did, these games are surpose to be realistic but theyre not…sort it out treyarch….stop the quick scoping and the 360 scopers
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Quickscoping was fun, but in Bo2 we will just have to ” quickscope ” like we did in Cod4(mw1) and regular black ops. So it doesn’t matter id we don’t have quickdraw or anything, because quickscopers don’t need to aim in faster, yes it helps, but whatever.
oh and BTW not all quickscopers are bad with every gun besides the sniper, sniping just happens to be my favorite thing.
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To all you people who think quickscoping is OP. My KD was around 1.35 with a regular gun on MW3 and when I started using a sniper it went negative straight away, I got negative KD every game (lowest it went to was 0.7.) Now I am only just positive and I am a better than average quickscoper with only 1.02KD. And if you think quickscoping is OP because you see people who make montages like FaZe and get quads feeds then your just stupid because it is way easier to get feeds with regular guns because I got a 8 man feed with an MP7 when I was relatively new to the game (split into a 5 man and triple.)
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Then you sir are more then a terrible quickscoper…..sorry to break your balls
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They need to take this s**t out completely if you wanna snipe then use the sniper how it’s supposed to be used if u suck at actually sniping pick a real gun and not play the game with no balls
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ACOG. The End.
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lol
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Quickscoping is fine, yeah it’s annoying when it happens to you but when you pull of a sick quickscope on someone it’s class, I was hitting 30-40 kills a game with a assault rifle and now only hitting 15-25 quick scoping it isn’t easier nor cheap just makes the game a little more entertaining if you can do it and the try-hards who just flat out burn the sub machine guns should banned. Peace
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exactly. more importantly there’s killstreak rewards and many other things that balance it out. so like you say…your score could be higher using other weapons. there’s nothing cheap about quickscoping. it’s really just a way to have fun without actually causing people to rage quit. so i’m completely clueless as to why they take it out of the game =(
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The fact that they’re specifically aiming to gimp quickscopers just gave me a huge amount of respect for Treyarch. I don’t believe quickscoping takes any skills, I mean, I prefer to snipe properly, or hardscope, or whatever you call it, but if someone jumps me it’s absolutely no trouble at all to just tap the zoom and blast them out of the sky, even if I don’t have Quickdraw. Sure, those who go around specifically doing it might have a lot of practise and some degree of skill, but getting quickscoped is by far the most annoying way to die on CoD, because for gods sake, it’s not how you’re supposed to use the damn things. If you want to go CQC, use a shotgun or SMG, if you want middle-long range, use an assault rifle or LMG. If you just want to be long range, use a sniper rifle. It’s as simple as that.
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You guys scrapped quickscoping because its cheap ? HAAAAAH what load that is. Let me ask you this, Is having a player using an mp7 with close to no recoil, with silencer and grip attachments running through the whole map hip firing and going 30-3 more fun? having played mw3, i say that that game despite having poor development, at least gave a rushing sniper a close to equal, NOT EQUAL but close to equal advantage to a regular gunning hip firing mp7 player. In black ops 2 there is no hope in HELLL for quicscoping which seriously suckss ! You’re basically forcing everying to regular gun or camp back and hardscope the life out of the map to get a kill which by that time you would of died 5 times. And the vast majority that builds and supports YOUR GAMES are quickscopers who post gameplay and edits and build on competitions. Extremely dissapointed.
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quick scoping should be reduced, if you play against teams of all quick scopers, they generally keep you at bay on BO2 by just keeping round corners pop out and fire,and tuck back in one round kills nearly every time.try that with the average assault rifle/sm,if they struggle and have to fire again it can be done so fast even with bolt rifles that you stand no chance of gaining any yardage towards them before you are dead.if you want to snipe i think maybe the makers should possibly make more hides for snipers on maps but slow the the speed down on scoping on all sniper rifles
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Yeah, so let’s complain about your lack of skill. If you are so pissed about quickscopers that “pop out of corners,” then why don’t you just throw a damn grenade and stop b***hing?
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Despite this I’ve played Black Ops 2 and safe to say treyarch was listening to fellow community and helped out both fellow QS players and people who like Rifles. This is how and why they are making Call of duty live up to its name. I know battlefield may be as close to a military game u can get to apart from ARMA 2. Black Ops 2 is that game filled with fun times, awesome moments, tryhards, squeakers, and much more. They made the game balanced so a QS player can still be killed by that beloved mp7 of ours. So don’t complain, thank treyarch for not f…cking up our loved black ops
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Using the noob tube or shotgun or P90 is also a cheap way to play. Is this guy serious? Just because he sucks, he doesn’t need to ruin it for everyone else. The game is a frag fest. There’s no foliage, there’s no large maps, etc. This renders conventional sniping USELESS. So you need the quickscope for the rail gun style play. Basically that leaves you with needing to be quick and accurate. WTF is wrong with that? You basically just use the shotgun to do the same thing at close range. The sniper rifle would replicate that at medium range. But no. They built the game wrong. So now we just snipe with FAL+ACOG. No big deal I suppose.
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It’s not auto-aim that makes quickscoping possible, its lack of wobble, which is just unrealistic as hitmarkers, so it balances. You can’t complain about quickscoping when you run around with an assault rifle and kill someone in a matter of half a millisecond. That’s what is cheap about the game, if you ask me. You can’t deny that it is cheaper than quickscoping.
And by the way, treyarch, I find it funny that you say there is a larger group of people that are saying quickscoping is annoying when your poll about the topic (“gimping” qscping, whatever the fck fck that means) proves otherwise.
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Well apparently you didn’t gimp because I just spent a game watching kill cams as I got quickscoped about 10 times. Every time it happens, I want to punch a baby. It is worse then n00b tubes from early MW games. It doesn’t show skills, it show a lack of skills. You don’t have the talent to actually aim and kill the person, so you just learn to get the timing correct with auto aim.
If you feel the need to leave it in the game, add a new category that allows it as well as drop shooting. Then leave remove any chance of quickscoping from the normal play modes. I could care less how many people played in there, they could stay there. As long as I don’t have to see Snipers running around and stopping instantly to snipe me. Then running on in a split second.
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So, I’ve been trying to break into sniping. BO2 is my first COD game, so allow a brief story from the perspective from a newb. Knowing that I was a newb, I decided the best way to get good with sniping is to exclusively use the snipers. Here’s a quick summery of my journey:
1st of all, I had a 1.3 KDR going before I used a sniper. I primarily used the EVO and the SMR..and did rather well with it. Once I switched, my KRD fell to .7 (I’m still trying to recover from it)…big surprise, sniping is hard to be good at *rolls eyes*.
2nd. Not having a COD background and after tons of jealously watched youtube videos on quickscopers (coupled with hours of quick scoping wins and losses) I believe I’ve found exactly what TreyArch has nerfed on the sniper:
Obviously Auto-Aim is gone, no big deal because practice will overcome that. ADS time has been slightly increased, again not as big a deal because you can overcome it with anticipation and map flow knowledge…aka practice. However, I believe the most significant and most misunderstood nerf, is the “Sniper Rifles off-center” effect. I’ve learned that it only applies when the gunner is moving.
Here’s an example: say I have a balista, and I’m standing stationary at the edge of a clearing. I chose the balista because I know it has the fastest handling w/ good damage. An enemy appears at the other side of the clearing. I aim, I shoot, I get my 1 shot kill because I’m good at head-shots (after practicing), enemy rages at me for quickscoping.
Now take that same scenario, but instead of me standing still, I’m sideways strafing back and forth, right to left. MOST IMPORTANTLY, I have my scoped zoomed in, looking for a target. The enemy appears, I find him, I fire, I get my 1 shot, enemy rages that I’m ‘hard-scoping’. Life’s still good.
Reset scenario one more time. This time I’m moving back and forth and I’m not zoomed in. Enemy appears. While moving I aim, I shoot, I ‘know’ I have the head-shot (again, practice) and my bullet strikes the ground 8 feet to his left. Enemy shoots me, calls me a newb. Life’s not good anymore.
I’ve seen the footage from previous COD games and what the quickscopers could do. I do not believe that a sniper should be able to easily dispatch a shotgunner at close range, while charging the enemy line. People use the shotgun for that close range advantage. You can’t have a 1-gun-fits-all in a ‘fare’ game.
From a newbs POV, I believe that the game is more balanced like this. Each gun has it’s own play style, and therefore each gun type requires a different set of skills to use. Snipers are harder to play with, because to be good with one, you have to be precise, you have to know the map, and you need to stop to shoot. They are different from SMG’s and AR’s because you are restricted in your ability to rush in and get that instant satisfaction of a quick kill. The tradeoff is, you can kill anyone in 1 shot, and (with practice) dominate the hot-headed rushers, so long as you keep the battle on your terms. This class of gun is not suited for hot headed rushers, nor is it suited for campers, due to the fact that camping doesn’t allow you to maintain map control on your sides and back. I’m not saying camping won’t allow you some cheep kills, but if you’re held up in a building zoomed in on the door w/ a sniper…you’ll probably get 2 maybe 3 kills before a smart player will rush your flanks….plus camping = 0 skill (according to the overwhelming majority)
In summery, snipers are hard to play with in BO2. Quick-scoping still exists, but is harder. I don’t get near as many kills as before, but the ones I get are 10times as satisfying and therefore funner. and that’s what this game is about…having fun. Right?
Thanks for reading my rant.
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I love sniping, think it’s brilliant, there’s no sweeter feeling than taking out someone from a huge distance and instilling the fear of god in them when they venture out into the open, but sniping and sniper rifles aren’t intended for close quarters combat. Stealth and patience (camping, to many) are part of it.
The game isn’t real but like many say, two guys run round a corner and meet, one has a smg, one a sniper rifle, there should be no contest, smg should win hands down every time.
Way I’d do it, no hip fire with a sniper rifle and black the screen for 1-2 seconds when they aim down the sight, call it flicking the covers off the scope if you will. To give a bit back though, all sniper hits should be one hit kills. If you want to snipe, snipe, but do it properly.
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Best part about reading these comments is people still quickscope and now that it’s harder the more skilled snipers come out on top. What’s anti-quickscopers excuse now? I’m not upset that they nerfed quickscoping because it’s their game and they can do what they want but it’s not cheap and it does take a little skill. Now it’s just more satisfying to get a quick scope kill in BO2.
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Exactly.. What the guy above me said.. Ppl can say all the b******t they want but all the haters know…. You just rage quit when the QS sniper is handing you your a** on a plate. For that matter.. you should just try picking up QS and you realize how hard it is to look good while doing it.. And BO2 just made QS a whole new level on rage quitting. Wonder what the anti QS community is gonna come up with an excuse for when the get QS’ed after it got nerfed in BO2..
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This isn’t a problem for quickscopers since i can quickscope easily and i’ve only started doing it recently.
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Sooo…. Much…. Rage…
I think people are a little too worked up over this.
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Heres a tip on quicksoping when you scope with your sniper hold ur breath with the hold steady thumbstick u use. Because once you hold steady your shots are more accurate good luck.;)
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i quick scope on black ops 2 hell i find it easier because is started quick scopingb on BO2 if i whent to mw3 and tried i would be killed in a mili second becouse i wasnt used to it so i truly cant care less whether they gimped it and neither should u its there it always will be even that tiny bit possible its equal to smgs aswell i mean my k/d isnt even good its .8 its most likely more thrilling than mw3 or mw2.
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> seriously As If theres Any realism with this game anyway.. its a twitch shooter..its not battlefield..
>if they wanted to fix quickscoping theyd just slow your run speed down to the point that you cant effectively run/gun with a snpr rfl..
>same with the shield..how can a person with a shield move fast enough to ever kill you?or even kill you with one?? its stupid…
> shotguns(still for lame gamers) that kill you across the map but 3 bullets from a heavy machine /sniper rifle doesn’t?
>the weapon accuracy is fictional at best anyway…ie:hitting anything w/a smg more than 25ft away(in reality) is difficult at best.. yet sniper rifles don’t have max’d accuracy/damage stats? thats what their made for….duh
>people w/knives run so fast the hit markers don’t have time to register that the 10 bullets i just put in you probably would have sent your body flying off in another direction long before you could have gotten close to me…not to mention you wouldn’t still be running/or capable of making anykind of attack motions…lame
>umm…i don’t think quickscoping is the major issue that needs to be fixed first…
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I honestly believe that no quickscope in black ops is one of the most amature things treyarch has ever done. 1) they lost a part of their fans 2) i thought call of duty is a first person shooter with various gameplay options , in black ops i see an amazing game with no good sniping. 3) why dont they just make a game mode with no quickscope or somethig like that? I find denial for the customers need unacceptable
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Aim assist should be completely removed for sniper rifles. Then most people won’t be able to QS. And if I get killed by someone who manages to QS me without aim assist then I’d be cool with that. But as it stands QSing is ruining the game. It’s a cheap trick and exploits a flaw in the games code. It’s may be fun for those of you who do it but its bulls**t, takes no real skill and not fun for any one else. I “can” QS but I’m not a b***h so I “choose” not to.
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